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    Redirect issue/deletion request

    Hi, can an admin please help delete the redirect from Qasim Shesho to Haydar Shesho? They are two different people: Qasim Shesho is the Uncle of Haydar Shesho

    The current redirect is incorrect and blocks my article. Thanks! Kuripenjwen (talk) 22:18, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi @Kuripenjwen, it looks like you've already created the draft page. This draft would go through the AfC draft approval process before being moved to replace the existing mainspace redirect. Once the draft is accepted for mainspace, the existing redirect would be tagged for deletion and it would be replaced with the approved draft (at that point in mainspace). I did add Template:R with Possibilities to the redirect page per WP:Drafts Jiltedsquirrel 🌰 (talk || contribs) 23:30, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi @Jiltedsquirrel, thanks for the info! I wanted to manually move it to mainspace, The current redirect link stops me from doing so and deleting it won’t cause issues Kuripenjwen (talk) 23:35, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah! There are instructions present for this situation on WP:Drafts as well, but you may need to make a request at WP:RMTR if you're unable to complete the move yourself. Instructions for how to make a request there are present at the top of the page. Jiltedsquirrel 🌰 (talk || contribs) 23:45, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Kuripenjwen, why not simply submit Draft:Qasim Shesho for review? -- Hoary (talk) 00:35, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Because that takes way longer than me just manually moving it now if the redirect link gets deleted. Of course these are two different people it should be removed please. Kuripenjwen (talk) 00:38, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    But Kuripenjwen, drafts that already are obviously good enough to become articles are, from what I observe, typically accepted pretty quickly. Now that I look at this draft, I wonder. It cites just two sources, and one of these is Vice. "There is no consensus on the reliability of Vice Media publications." So why not first improve the draft and then submit it? -- Hoary (talk) 01:03, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Alright Hoary but the current redirect Qasim Shesho → Haydar Shesho is factually incorrect (they are uncle/nephew). This needs correction regardless of the draft status. I've requested deletion at Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests. And i will take your advice and improve the draft Kuripenjwen (talk) 01:15, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Kuripenjwen, for future reference, you can request deletion of a redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. There is some guidance on the page you should read before making a nomination. The current redirect Qasim Shesho → Haydar Shesho doesn't imply they are the same person, it just means that you can find some information about QS on HS's page. TSventon (talk) 03:49, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Kuripenjwen, putting aside questions about the reliability of Vice in general, the Vice page you cite is based on one or more discussions with the subject of the article. The Rudaw page you cite is an interview with him -- or so it seems (I haven't listened to it). An article would also need to cite disinterested sources about him. -- Hoary (talk) 06:16, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kuripenjwen The existing redirect is not "factually incorrect." If there is no existing article for a person, it is common to have a redirect to a target page that mentions the person. Although he is not mentioned by name, there is a reference to "his uncle" in the article Haydar Shesho. Madam Fatal (talk) 18:11, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    How do I make a recommendation for a rule change

    OP has correctly been referred to Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab). There's nothing else here that the Help Desk can do. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    I think that the subject of an article should have a right to respond tab where they can address the contents of their own article, this goes agaisnt rules about writing about yourself but I think those rules should be changed to allow for this. It'd work how any news site does it, a tab reads 'Right to Respond' and then their verbatim quote, proof it's their quote, and the date they made it. I hope you get what I'm trying to say! NotQualified (talk) 00:01, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    A proposition like your seem to me unlikely to succeed.
    In the hypothetical case there are one day a change that make that the subject of the article can comment.

    It should not be on the article but on a distinct "namespace".
    Why not create another namespace for subjects to address the contents of the articles about themselves ?
    Your idea seem good but there are negative hypothetical consequences like some fans of celebrities using this namespace to threat celebrities if this is not a namespace in which only the subject can write.

    When I'm writing these words. Subjects can use the talk-page of an article but we can't be certain this is the subject and not another else.
    If we create another namespace when only subjects can write about the article about themselves.
    How to verify the identity and who should verify this ?

    Also , there are not only "Wikipedia in English". There are now more than 300 Wikipedias existing.

    Do you imagine this for each version of Wikipedia ? In my knowledge , there are not any person for which there are an article on all version of Wikipedia but some people such "Justin Bieber" and "Volodymyr Zelensky" have an article about themselves in more than 150 versions of Wikipedia.

    Does it does means that a person should have to interract with each version as each Wikipedia is independent of each other ?

    If we do that for a living person. Should we extend this for dead people.
    If we extend this for dead people. Who could have the rights to use this hypothetical userspace ?

    People such "Jean de La Fontaine" and "George Washington" are dead since centuries.
    It does means that all people who knew them are now deceased. Is this sensical to allow for example theirs descendants to comment ?

    My message is long but it explain in few words some of problems we can meet with your proposition. Anatole-berthe (talk) 00:59, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    NotQualified, opinions on the merits of your idea don't belong in the Teahouse so I shan't express mine. But if somebody's description of their proposal needs a supplementary "I hope you get what I'm trying to say!", then that proposal, if so described, would have no chance of success. You should instead think hard about your proposal (probably tinkering with it, and very likely changing it considerably). Having done that, work hard on expressing it clearly, persuasively, and concisely. Only then put it forward -- but not on the relevant proposals page; instead on Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab). -- Hoary (talk) 02:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Hoary You said to @NotQualified to go on "Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)".
    For me , this question is above "Wikipedia in English" because it seem to me to be an interwikipedia matters.

    In this case the "Village Pump" isn't the right place in my mind.
    I prefer let "Notqualified" explain the idea. After , we could guide the user to the right place.
    I don't know if the idea is only for the "Wikipedia in English". Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:07, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    Discussion

    I had a conflict with another editor, so he opened a discussion. And I shared my opinion there, but the user hasn't responded yet, and still continues to edit the article according to his own view.

    In this situation, what should I do? I just pinged the user, but I think it't unfair for his version to remain in article until an agreement is reached. If he ignores the discussion, it seems like his edits could stay indefinitely. Doesn't that seem problematic? Camilasdandelions (talk!) 06:30, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Camilasdandelions: Does this relate to Talk:Something Beautiful (Miley Cyrus album): that looks like a discussion between two editors, who are unable to agree on a question. I would suggest posting neutral notices at relevant wikiprojects to get more editors involved. There are other alternatives at Wikipedia:Consensus#By soliciting outside opinions.
    There is more general advice at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. TSventon (talk) 08:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC

    Millicent Fawcett

    Millicent Fawcett

    The number 21 has been altered and is all wrong. Please fix if able, thanks Srbernadette (talk) 12:37, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Srbernadette Findmypast is considered a generally unreliable primary source (see table at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources) so I think you need to remove that cite altogether or find a better source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:43, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Find the first name of a page

    Hello ! I want to fusion two elements of "Wikidata".

    The element about the article "The National Cybersecurity Institute (INCIBE)" and the element "INCIBE [Wikidata]".

    The problem is the next. I didn't found the corresponding element about "The National Cybersecurity Institute (INCIBE)" in Wikidata.
    I suppose this is because this is not the original title of the page.
    How to find the successive titles of a page ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 16:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I read logs like "move log" and "merge log".
    No result. I get "No matching items in log." Anatole-berthe (talk) 16:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Anatole-berthe: Some articles have no Wikidata item. The National Cybersecurity Institute (INCIBE) was created today and has no "Wikidata item" under Tools so there is nothing to merge at Wikidata. You can just add the article to the existing Wikidata item. See Wikipedia:Wikidata#New articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:12, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I did resolved the problem. I didn't knew that some articles in Wikipedia aren't tied to a Wikidata item.
    Thanks ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 18:38, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    So are y'all going to rawdog it or?

    Starting from around July-September 2025, a nationwide merge and changing of hierarchy of literally every single administrative division would be underway in Vietnam; such as shrinking the province count from 54 to 34, etc.

    Has enwiki reached a consensus regarding what it should do about the articles about administrative divisions here? There's an ongoing discussion over at vi.wiki here, you guys can read them for reference tynjee 18:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    This has been briefly discussed at WikiProject Vietnam here. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Moving over citations from article in another language

    I can passably translate the 21st century section for this: LGBTQ literature in Brazil but I'm not sure if there's a way to bring over the citations as well Sock-the-guy (talk) 22:30, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Sock-the-guy you should check that the references support any text you add to en Wikipedia. If you copy the code of the references from es to en Wikipedia, a bot should convert them, see Help:Translation#Citation templates, but do check afterwards. TSventon (talk) 22:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That does make sense, should've thought of that. I'll go through. Would it be better to revert and toss that in the sandbox since I don't have the time today/right now? Sock-the-guy (talk) 22:56, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That would be a good idea, also you need to acknowledge the source with an edit summary, like Content in this edit is translated from the existing Spanish Wikipedia article at [[:es:Exact name of Spanish article]]; see its history for attribution. TSventon (talk) 23:06, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    See WP:Translate for additional tips. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:40, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Is there a tool or process to copy images hosted on Commons to Wikipedia?

    Hi all

    Some images taken in France are being discussed for deletion here because there is no freedom of panorama in France. I understand from this template that these images would be allowed on Wikipedia. Please could someone tell me if there's a tool or process to copy them across?

    Thanks

    John Cummings (talk) 09:13, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I asked the same thing on WP:VPT recently and was directed to https://wikifile-transfer.toolforge.org/ - however, every time I try using it, including just now, I get an "error 500" (which I have reported on its GitHub page, with no response as yet). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:39, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    ANI

    What should I do if I see a problematic user (Ultra 348 (talk · contribs)) who has repeated final warnings on their talk page and has been brought to ANI before (though the thread became stale) continue to not use edit summaries and other problematic behavior for which they have already been warned multiple times? Since I have never been directly involved with the user, I don't think that bringing up another ANI discussion would be appropriate, especially as I have never been there before. I'm also not sure I want to put in the effort to find all the diffs for their problematic behavior, which stretches back to 2023. If there is a better venue to bring this up, please point me in the right direction. Thanks, it's lio! | talk | work 11:00, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    You could notify User:Magnolia677 (as I do, here), who issued the last warning on the user's talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:35, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    MOS and words in italics

    Hello. I'm undecided about a style manual rule, specifically, italics. I'm a little in the fog. MOS:BADITALICS says: Some proper names—including personal names, place names, and the names of organizations—are usually not italicized as non-English vocabulary.

    Sorry, I'm not sure I understood all these words as place names: autobahn, U-Bahn, Oktoberfest, and Volksfest.

    Should I consider these as organisations? Deutscher Wetterdienst, Münchner Verkehrsgesellschaft, and Bayerischen Journalisten-Verbands (Bavarian Journalists Association).

    I also don't know how to consider these: Polizeipräsidium München, Einsatzhundertschaft (an emergency division), and Reiterstaffel (mounted police). I think that Beamte employees might be italicised, but in doubt, I prefer to ask. Thanks in advance. Oroborvs (talk) 12:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    My general advice would be that this is a question of judgement and if you are unsure you can leave tweaking italics to other editors. Also don't go through the entire encyclopedia changing the italics for every German word as other editors might disagree with your judgements. My thoughts are
    @TSventon: Thanks for the reply and the help, it helps me see things more clearly. Oroborvs (talk) 17:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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